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Re: OOTT://In case it is important to you.

Postby T on Sun Oct 12, 2008 2:22 pm

On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:29:59 -0500, Tim Daneliuk
wrote:

>Someone who has strong Marxist-Leninist tendencies.

You know, I had a seminar course in Marxism back in the seventies and
it took us an entire semester just to read the most elementary texts
involved. Am I to assume that you mean the term as defined by the
Stalinists, or are you more of a Trotskyite in your concept. Then
again, you might be an admirer of the Khrushchevian definition, or
perhaps the Maoist interpretation.

My point is that you are throwing around terminology that has more
weight than your use of it.


>Someone who has the worst possible friends and associates.

You mean like "The Keating Five"? Perhaps you mean someone like Ken
Lay? Maybe Bebe Rebozo?


>Someone who has actively supported groups engaged in voter fraud.

Please! In Chicago! "I'm shocked..."


>Someone who believes deeply in wealth redistribution.

cf. "Whiskey Rebellion", c. 1790's.

yawn...



>Someone who has a grand total of 143 days of "service" (out of 4 years in the Senate).


"MISSED VOTES:
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/m000303/votes/missed/
John McCain has missed 407 votes (63.8%) during the current Congress."

"NEW YORK (CNN) -- Russia invades Georgia and President Bush goes on
vacation. Our president has spent one-third of his entire two terms in
office either at Camp David, Maryland, or at Crawford, Texas, on
vacation.

His time away from the Oval Office included the month leading up to
9/11, when there were signs Osama bin Laden was planning to attack
America, and the time Hurricane Katrina destroyed the city of New
Orleans"



"George Bush Sr. took all or part of 543 vacation days at Camp David
and in Kennebunkport. Ronald Reagan spent 335 days at or en route to
his Santa Barbara, California, ranch during his eight years in office.
Of recent presidents, Jimmy Carter took the least days off -- only 79
days, which he usually spent at his home in Georgia. That's less than
three weeks a year, which is closer to the average American's paid
time off of 13 days per year."

"What about Clinton? As of December 1999, President Bill Clinton had
spent only 152 days on holiday during his two terms, according to CBS
News."



BTW - this might be of particular interest to you:

"How much does John McCain know about his campaign manager's lobbying
history and potential current business interests inside Ukraine -- and
when did he know it?

The stakes of the answer to that question are increasing, due both to
the continuing controversy over the role of lobbyists in McCain's
second presidential run, as well as the press inquiry into the
connections between McCain campaign manager Rick Davis and the global
business and political interests in Ukraine, a country represented by
the lobbying firm that bears his name -- Davis-Manafort.

The Davis lobbying firm offered political consulting services to the
pro-Russian "Party of Regions" inside Ukraine."


(Where not specifically cited, quotes are from various news sources
and you can look them up yourself.)



have a nice day.



tom watson



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Re: OOTT://In case it is important to you.

Postby cm on Sun Oct 12, 2008 3:36 pm

You mean like "The Keating Five"? Perhaps you mean someone like Ken
Lay? Maybe Bebe Rebozo?

McCain's friends don't hate whites, the USA, nor have they been involved in
any bombings within the USA.

cm

"t" wrote in message
news:2rn4f412pkhffc7r2m30flcn20shop4hr6@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:29:59 -0500, Tim Daneliuk
> wrote:
>
>>Someone who has strong Marxist-Leninist tendencies.
>
> You know, I had a seminar course in Marxism back in the seventies and
> it took us an entire semester just to read the most elementary texts
> involved. Am I to assume that you mean the term as defined by the
> Stalinists, or are you more of a Trotskyite in your concept. Then
> again, you might be an admirer of the Khrushchevian definition, or
> perhaps the Maoist interpretation.
>
> My point is that you are throwing around terminology that has more
> weight than your use of it.
>
>
>>Someone who has the worst possible friends and associates.
>
> You mean like "The Keating Five"? Perhaps you mean someone like Ken
> Lay? Maybe Bebe Rebozo?
>
>
>>Someone who has actively supported groups engaged in voter fraud.
>
> Please! In Chicago! "I'm shocked..."
>
>
>>Someone who believes deeply in wealth redistribution.
>
> cf. "Whiskey Rebellion", c. 1790's.
>
> yawn...
>
>
>
>>Someone who has a grand total of 143 days of "service" (out of 4 years in
>>the Senate).
>
>
> "MISSED VOTES:
> http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/m000303/votes/missed/
> John McCain has missed 407 votes (63.8%) during the current Congress."
>
> "NEW YORK (CNN) -- Russia invades Georgia and President Bush goes on
> vacation. Our president has spent one-third of his entire two terms in
> office either at Camp David, Maryland, or at Crawford, Texas, on
> vacation.
>
> His time away from the Oval Office included the month leading up to
> 9/11, when there were signs Osama bin Laden was planning to attack
> America, and the time Hurricane Katrina destroyed the city of New
> Orleans"
>
>
>
> "George Bush Sr. took all or part of 543 vacation days at Camp David
> and in Kennebunkport. Ronald Reagan spent 335 days at or en route to
> his Santa Barbara, California, ranch during his eight years in office.
> Of recent presidents, Jimmy Carter took the least days off -- only 79
> days, which he usually spent at his home in Georgia. That's less than
> three weeks a year, which is closer to the average American's paid
> time off of 13 days per year."
>
> "What about Clinton? As of December 1999, President Bill Clinton had
> spent only 152 days on holiday during his two terms, according to CBS
> News."
>
>
>
> BTW - this might be of particular interest to you:
>
> "How much does John McCain know about his campaign manager's lobbying
> history and potential current business interests inside Ukraine -- and
> when did he know it?
>
> The stakes of the answer to that question are increasing, due both to
> the continuing controversy over the role of lobbyists in McCain's
> second presidential run, as well as the press inquiry into the
> connections between McCain campaign manager Rick Davis and the global
> business and political interests in Ukraine, a country represented by
> the lobbying firm that bears his name -- Davis-Manafort.
>
> The Davis lobbying firm offered political consulting services to the
> pro-Russian "Party of Regions" inside Ukraine."
>
>
> (Where not specifically cited, quotes are from various news sources
> and you can look them up yourself.)
>
>
>
> have a nice day.
>
>
>
> tom watson
>
>
>


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Re: OOTT://In case it is important to you.

Postby Robatoy on Sun Oct 12, 2008 3:52 pm

On Oct 12, 6:36 pm, "cm" wrote:
> You mean like "The Keating Five"?  Perhaps you mean someone like Ken
> Lay?  Maybe Bebe Rebozo?
>
> McCain's friends don't hate whites, the USA, nor have they been involved in
> any bombings within the USA.
>

Obama is not 'friends' with Ayers. He sat on a board with Ayers..a
board which was put together by a republican. Stop perpetuating the
lies. Get the facts. (Obama was 8 years old at the time of the
bombings...so what are you saying? )

McCain's friends may not hate whites, but there is some question how
they feel about blacks.
Again, do your homework.

I don't like either as a leader of my neighbouring country, but I'll
take the cool guy over the hothead any day. Besides, at 72, what does
McCain have to lose? Owning 7 houses, what does McCain have to lose?
Having no young children, what does McCain have to gain by supporting
a fair future for them? McCain is truly out of touch.

Both candidates come up short, as do the ones we have to vote for this
coming Tuesday. It is between:
One you can't believe
and
one you can't understand.

And now that all banks worldwide are officially in bed together, we're
all screwed anyway.


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Re: OOTT://In case it is important to you.

Postby cm on Sun Oct 12, 2008 4:21 pm


"Robatoy" wrote in message
news:dcaeb520-959c-40af-8db2-ec5f66bf7262@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 12, 6:36 pm, "cm" wrote:
> You mean like "The Keating Five"? Perhaps you mean someone like Ken
> Lay? Maybe Bebe Rebozo?
>
> McCain's friends don't hate whites, the USA, nor have they been involved
> in
> any bombings within the USA.
>

Obama is not 'friends' with Ayers. He sat on a board with Ayers..a
board which was put together by a republican. Stop perpetuating the
lies. Get the facts. (Obama was 8 years old at the time of the
bombings...so what are you saying? )

He may not be freinds with Ayers but he does associate with him.

McCain's friends may not hate whites, but there is some question how
they feel about blacks.
Again, do your homework.

Hmmm, can't think of any that are on the pulpit preaching their hatred.


I don't like either as a leader of my neighbouring country, but I'll
take the cool guy over the hothead any day. Besides, at 72, what does
McCain have to lose? Owning 7 houses, what does McCain have to lose?
Having no young children, what does McCain have to gain by supporting
a fair future for them? McCain is truly out of touch.

I dislike both candidates. I'll be glad when this is over.

Both candidates come up short, as do the ones we have to vote for this
coming Tuesday. It is between:
One you can't believe
and
one you can't understand.

Good luck in your elections.

And now that all banks worldwide are officially in bed together, we're
all screwed anyway.

Scary *..... How's business now? Mine has slowed enough I am considering
regular employment after 19 years of self employment.

cm



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Re: OOTT://In case it is important to you.

Postby Robatoy on Sun Oct 12, 2008 5:54 pm

On Oct 12, 7:21 pm, "cm" wrote:


>
> Scary *..... How's business now? Mine has slowed enough I am considering
> regular employment after 19 years of self employment.
>

I have always manoeuvred to be in a position of strength. Cash
positive. Only ever ran up credit with my suppliers to have it
available to me for bigger projects (cheaper than bank money). But
mostly, I would take advantage of the cash discounts (usually 15
days) for prompt payment. So, if business slows down, I make less
money, but it never comes to a dead stop.


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Re: OOTT://In case it is important to you.

Postby cm on Sun Oct 12, 2008 6:52 pm

I have been in the same + cash position for years. My shed is still pretty
full of supplies I have purchased at deep discounts. Unfortunately medical
bills over the last three years have eaten away at our savings. While we are
not in financial trouble, I am a little worried. I have started using new
sales tactics to increase business and have already enjoyed some success
with that. It will have to get pretty bad before I really look for a job. I
do not play well with others and have never held a job for very long. Hand
picking the people I like working with is one of the things I enjoy everyday
in my business. Every career I have ever had involves working with a token
* who quickly drove me away.

Ironically my side business of reselling 1950's and older travel trailers
has seen record sales this year, but most of that has been re-invested in
more stock.

cm


"Robatoy" wrote in message
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On Oct 12, 7:21 pm, "cm" wrote:


>
> Scary *..... How's business now? Mine has slowed enough I am
> considering
> regular employment after 19 years of self employment.
>

I have always manoeuvred to be in a position of strength. Cash
positive. Only ever ran up credit with my suppliers to have it
available to me for bigger projects (cheaper than bank money). But
mostly, I would take advantage of the cash discounts (usually 15
days) for prompt payment. So, if business slows down, I make less
money, but it never comes to a dead stop.



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Re: OOTT://In case it is important to you.

Postby Tim Daneliuk on Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:00 pm

Robatoy wrote:
> On Oct 12, 6:36 pm, "cm" wrote:
>> You mean like "The Keating Five"? Perhaps you mean someone like Ken
>> Lay? Maybe Bebe Rebozo?
>>
>> McCain's friends don't hate whites, the USA, nor have they been involved in
>> any bombings within the USA.
>>
>
> Obama is not 'friends' with Ayers. He sat on a board with Ayers..a
> board which was put together by a republican. Stop perpetuating the
> lies. Get the facts. (Obama was 8 years old at the time of the
> bombings...so what are you saying? )
>
>

Utter nonsense. Ayers domestic terrorism was well documented by
the time Obama ascended to power. This did not stop Obama from
making nice with Ayers. They are both political pondscum.
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Re: OOTT://In case it is important to you.

Postby Tim Daneliuk on Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:00 pm

t wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:29:59 -0500, Tim Daneliuk
> wrote:
>
>> Someone who has strong Marxist-Leninist tendencies.
>
> You know, I had a seminar course in Marxism back in the seventies and
> it took us an entire semester just to read the most elementary texts
> involved. Am I to assume that you mean the term as defined by the
> Stalinists, or are you more of a Trotskyite in your concept. Then
> again, you might be an admirer of the Khrushchevian definition, or
> perhaps the Maoist interpretation.
>
> My point is that you are throwing around terminology that has more
> weight than your use of it.
>

I used *exactly* the term I meant with full intention. Obama is
a Marxist with a Leninist patina.
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Re: OOTT://In case it is important to you.

Postby Tim Daneliuk on Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:03 pm

t wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:08:45 -0700 (PDT), Charlie Self
> wrote:
>> It's not so much a revelation as *. The problems with subprime
>> were not caused by the borrowers aimed at by Carter, but by lenders
>> who over-valued houses and allowed people who obviously didn't have
>> the means to buy immense houses. Almost wrote homes, but damned few of
>> those places are homes or ever will be. The original act was aimed at
>> allowing poorer borrowers a shot at the market. What happened was that
>> lenders saw far more money in letting better off, but not better off
>> enough, borrowers to grab mortgages beyond their means. Short term
>> profits were immense. Now, you and I get to pay for that.
>>
>> It really has little to do with political parties. There is sufficient
>> shame and blame to go around.
>
>
> Yes. The original intent of the Carter era legislation was an
> honorable one. It was aimed directly at the process of "Redlining"

No it wasn't. It is based on theft to move money from those who
are productive to those who are not. It is immoral.

> that was prevalent at the time and which excluded housing purchases in
> depressed areas without regard to the borrower's qualifications.

Redlining was a very reasonable process that prevented people who
were incapable of repaying a loan from ever being offered one.

>
> According to the Federal Reserve website the lending institutions were
> specifically precluded from making unsafe loans:
>
> "The Community Reinvestment Act is intended to encourage depository
> institutions to help meet the credit needs of the communities in which
> they operate, including low- and moderate-income neighborhoods,
> consistent with safe and sound operations. It was enacted by the
> Congress in 1977 (12 U.S.C. 2901) and is implemented by Regulation BB
> (12 CFR 228). The regulation was substantially revised in May 1995,
> and was most recently amended in August 2005.
> Evaluation of CRA Performance
> The CRA requires that each depository institution's record in helping
> meet the credit needs of its entire community be evaluated
> periodically. That record is taken into account in considering an
> institution's application for deposit facilities.
>
> Neither the CRA nor its implementing regulation gives specific
> criteria for rating the performance of depository institutions.
> Rather, the law indicates that the evaluation process should
> accommodate an institution's individual circumstances. Nor does the
> law require institutions to make high-risk loans that jeopardize their
> safety. To the contrary, the law makes it clear that an institution's
> CRA activities should be undertaken in a safe and sound manner."
>
> http://www.federalreserve.gov/dcca/cra/
>
>
> It is typical of the current adversarial environment that reality is
> not merely ignored but is vociferously denied.

It is typical of today's politically correct rewriting of history to
ignore the fact that the CRA - as ammended by Clinton is one of the (but not
the entire) reasons we are in trouble economically in the West.
>
>
> tom watson


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Re: OOTT://In case it is important to you.

Postby Greg O on Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:57 pm

"Charlie Self" wrote in message
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>It's not so much a revelation as *. The problems with subprime
>were not caused by the borrowers aimed at by Carter, but by lenders
>who over-valued houses and allowed people who obviously didn't have
>the means to buy immense houses. Almost wrote homes, but damned few of
>those places are homes or ever will be. The original act was aimed at
>allowing poorer borrowers a shot at the market. What happened was that
>lenders saw far more money in letting better off, but not better off
>enough, borrowers to grab mortgages beyond their means. Short term
>profits were immense. Now, you and I get to pay for that.

>It really has little to do with political parties. There is sufficient
>shame and blame to go around.

I got to see this first hand when we refinanced our home five years ago.
Without going into great detail, the bank suggested we should sell our home
and buy one that was worth three times the one we are in. (going off there
appraisal at the time) Our bank sold our loan immediately to WaMu. Now
MAYBE, (big maybe!), I could afford to pay the loan, but I know I could not
afford to do anything else until the note was paid off! I wonder how many
people got sucked into this fiasco, apparently quite a few!
Greg

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